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March 2, 2010 1:36pm UTC
Simulation Nozzle and Spray
Hello at all
I am new at Comsol and have not any experince at Comsol. I try to simulate a nozzle from a spraying system and i will know the fly-curve and fly-time at a special room, but i have no idea how i can solve this problem. The nozzle is a hollow cone. The medium is water with i want spray at a vaccum of 40mbar. Can anybody give me some tipps how i can solve this problem?
Thanks
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March 2, 2010 2:46pm UTC in response to Michael Stein
Re: Simulation Nozzle and Spray
Start by drawing the geometry with COMSOL.
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March 2, 2010 3:24pm UTC in response to James D. Freels
Re: Simulation Nozzle and Spray
I done this. but then i have no idea which physics behind the spraying process and i have not find any literatur about such processes. i think perhaps navier stokes. The nozzle-typ is a hollow cone. So i have a thin layer at first, which break at small droplets. But i dont know how i can descrbe this process with equations.
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March 2, 2010 6:29pm UTC in response to Michael Stein
Re: Simulation Nozzle and Spray
Michael,
I hesitated before I decided to respond because I don't like discouraging people but I think what you are wanting to do is a hugely monumental task and you don't realize what you are up against :) Please forgive my candor.
Simulating drop breakup/spray formation from first principles is very hard because 1- the underlying physics is non-trivial (not that N-S is trivial itself, but this is even more complicated due to the nature of free surface BCs) and 2- implemeting this computationally is very difficult too. Belive me I would know because I spent my entire Ph.D. coming up with a way of doing this for a single droplet and simulating it with finite element code that I wrote myself.
I suggest you find some literature and read up on the subject to see for yourself the underlying physics/math before you even begin to worry about simulating it.
If you need engineering answers there might be other feasible ways of getting them (engineering correlations, experiments etc.). Although I am a computational guy myself, CFD is not always the best way to go after a problem- it all depends on what you want and what your constraints are.
Hope this helps
Ozgur
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August 23, 2010 5:51pm UTC in response to Ozgur Yildirim
Re: Simulation Nozzle and Spray
I am also interested in spray simulation for liquids, nozzles.
So is it save to assume that Comsol is not the program I'm looking for?
Here they mention nozzles: http://www.comsol.com/products/cfd/?tab=appareas but I guess that is an optimistic marketing thing.
Did anyone see a simulation model with mist?
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